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91. Embracing Failures and Finding Purpose with Crystal Paine
What happens when a simple money-saving idea transforms into a thriving online platform? Meet Crystal, the Money Saving Mom, who joins us to share her incredible journey from a tiny basement apartment to launching a successful financial career. Crystal's story is not just about financial triumphs but about embracing failures and staying true to one's unique calling. Through her experiences, she inspires listeners to pursue their passions and engage in conversations that matter.
Balancing work, family, and relationships can be a daunting task, especially with six children, including an adopted son with disabilities. In a heartfelt segment, we confront the emotional subject of friendship breakups, sharing personal stories that highlight the healing power of vulnerability and personal growth.
The episode also takes a deeper look at budgeting, moving beyond traditional safe topics to a broader approach to financial stewardship. Listeners are encouraged to overcome money fears and misconceptions, discovering budgeting as an empowering tool for all income levels. Join us for a celebration of ordinary people achieving extraordinary things, and stay tuned for more inspiring guests.
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Welcome to Ordinary People Extraordinary Things. I'm so glad that you're here. Welcome to 2025 and Season 7. Let's get started with one of our wonderful guests. Welcome to Ordinary People Extraordinary Things. I'm so honored to be here with Crystal Crystal. Thanks for being on.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for having me. It's such an honor to be here.
Speaker 1:If people don't know who you are. You are the money-saving mom, but you are so much more I know as well. Could you give three words or phrases that describe you?
Speaker 2:You asked me this and this is such a good question. I was going to ask my husband because I was really curious if our words would line up. I came up with passionate, driven and deep.
Speaker 1:And what do you mean by deep?
Speaker 2:So I'm the kind of person that I do not like to have surfacy conversations, like if I am talking with you, I don't want to talk about the weather. I want to talk about, like, how's your heart and what's God doing in your life and how can I be praying for you, and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1:Oh, I like that. I like that a lot. How did money saving mom get started?
Speaker 2:So my husband and I decided, like we just really felt like we wanted to stay out of debt and so when we got married we've been married for almost 22 years he was going to go to law school and we set this audacious goal that we were going to do it debt-free. And we are both blessed to come from families where our parents modeled really wise financial stewardship for us and taught us a lot of things. So we went into marriage with that. We went into marriage without any debt and with money and savings, and so we set in on this journey to stay out of debt, go through law school. And that was kind of when this whole idea of sharing about saving money started, because we were living in this little basement apartment and we were on this beans and rice budget. We had one car, my husband was at law school and his job most of the day. So I'm at home in this little basement apartment in this town that I don't know hardly anyone with a little baby and just was trying to figure out ways that I could earn money from home and fell into blogging from that.
Speaker 2:It was a brand new phenomenon. This was 2004, 2005. People really didn't even know what a blog was, so you'd have to explain what a blog was before you told them what you blogged about. And I started just blogging about a lot of different things, kind of a mommy blog. That was a Christian mommy blog and then, from there, really discovered that people were very fascinated with things about saving money and about how we were eating on so little, how I was using coupons, how I was playing the drugstore game, and so, after blogging about that on that blog for about two years, really felt like I wanted to do a spinoff blog that was specifically about saving money.
Speaker 2:So 2007 started money saving momcom, not knowing that the economy was going to tank and that, like coupons were going to become the thing, because media would be talking about you should use coupons at the grocery store and people would go and they would Google how to use coupons at the grocery store. I was one of the few sites was teaching people how to do that, and so my site would pop up. So within a year it just grew and grew and then we were making a full-time income off of it and I never saw that the side little thing that I thought I was gonna do was gonna turn into our family's full-time thing.
Speaker 1:Wow, that is so crazy. What would you say to someone who's listening and has a dream or has something that they feel like God has put on their heart? How would you encourage them?
Speaker 2:I think the biggest thing that I learned is that failure can actually be a really good thing. So I started Money Saving Mom in 2007,. But what I didn't talk about is the multiple things that I tried before then that didn't work and I had multiple failed businesses and just really each time would say, okay, why didn't that work? What can I learn from it? What did work that I can take and pull from? And I actually had this idea about a year before I started MoneySavingMomcom that I can take and pull from. And I actually had this idea about a year before I started money saving momcom that I would start this site that was going to be about saving money. I saw some friends that they were doing this and they had Google ads on their sidebar and they were making a thousand dollars a month some months off of just their ads on their sidebar, and I was like I could do that. So I worked really hard, set up the site. It was crickets, like it did not, did not go anywhere, and I realized, because I was trying to do their vision Like this was a thing that they you know God had called them to and I was just trying to copy it, and so I think the biggest thing that I would encourage you is make sure that you are uniquely stepping into what God is calling you to not doing something just because it looks like a great idea that someone else is doing. That's the thing that I've had to learn the hard way, and then also to really think outside the box and to not see that if something doesn't work well, that just means that you know I'm never going to be able to have an online business. That just means that you need to go back to the drawing board and learn some new things and pivot and try again.
Speaker 2:One of the things that I did commit to we invested $2,000 of our own money in the very beginning and then never invested another penny of our own money. We didn't have extra money to invest, and so I had to get really creative with that little bit of money to figure out ways to make money and make that grow that then I could invest when I started something new. And there are just so many different opportunities online. But I would say it's easy to get focused. It's easy to lose focus because there's shiny thing, shiny thing, shiny thing, all these experts telling you you should be doing all these different things and I found, do one thing at a time, like with my site. It's like start the site, then start an email newsletter, then add one social media. Get learn that really well, then you could add another social media platform. Like you don't have to do all the things at once. Grow slowly and and don't get discouraged if something doesn't work. Use that as an opportunity to learn and pivot.
Speaker 1:That's good. I can see why you said driven.
Speaker 2:I don't take no for an answer easily.
Speaker 2:So you know, and it's a great thing, because with an internet business nowadays, like you have to constantly be learning and changing and being forward thinking because it is a constantly changing market. I mean, when I started, there was no social media. We had blogs and we had comments and we had email, and to think of where it is now like we could have never envisioned what it is like now and so you have to be changing and learning and growing and pivoting and trying new things and experimenting and failing, because that's how your business is going to continue to stay afloat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, that's good, and you have kids. So how can you tell, first of all, how many kids you have, and then how do you balance your work in your family life?
Speaker 2:Yes, we have six kids. They're 19, down to two, 19, 17, 15. Then we had 10 years of secondary infertility and then we have four year old four year old and a two year old. Our second four year old was adopted from foster care. He has some very significant disabilities and will need lifelong caregiving and he has just turned our world upside down in the most wonderful of ways.
Speaker 2:But balancing a lot of children and a lot wide age range and working full-time because I am our family's full-time breadwinner it's just constantly an exercise in trusting the Lord, resting in Him, learning to not micromanage and control my life. I think the biggest thing for me is I have to let go of this vision of what I think it should look like and really embrace right where I am today. I mean, for instance, just it was probably 35 minutes ago my four-year-old came to me. She's like mom, would you read to me? And there were a lot of things that needed to get done and some time sensitive things. And to just stop and be like, absolutely, I can go upstairs and we can sit in our, in your little tent in the playroom and we can read for five minutes and then mommy's going to need to.
Speaker 2:You know, do some other things, because mommy has some stuff going on today and so being willing to stop and do that, that filled up her love tank and so just getting creative and looking for opportunities to really have those one-on-one times, but to know that even just a few minutes here or there of really being fully present can make such a difference. The other thing that we have just switched to recently is really compartmentalizing, and so for me, I work from eight to two and then I'm home and really focused on home from two to eight, and having those compartmentalized times has been very, very helpful for me and I feel like I'm so much more present in my job and so much more present in my home by compartmentalizing.
Speaker 1:That's really good. That's really good. Well, this is a whole different switch. I don't know how to nicely switch it to something else. One you have some really great blogs.
Speaker 1:I'm going to, for sure, if people don't have you on social media, tag that in, because I think they'll be really filled up by all of your things. You have budget things, but then you also have just a lot of soul things I feel like, or spiritual things, things that are going on in your life that you really share with people and are really vulnerable, that make people feel like, oh my gosh, I really know her, I really can identify with that, make people feel like, oh my gosh, I really know her, I really can identify with that. And one of them that really spoke to me was the sadness of losing friends. I don't know if you remember that one. Probably right, that one just really hit home with me. I think we can all all identify with that at some time in our life. Would you be able to explain a little bit about that If people are like thanks, Nancy, I have no idea what you're speaking about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I just I think that friendship breakups are something that it's a very real reality and it's also something that we don't talk about very often. I mean, it's a difficult subject to talk about, especially publicly. I wrote this Instagram post that I actually had been. I started writing a year before and didn't never know if it was something I was going to be sharing publicly because I thought it was just for me. I was writing to process a friendship break that was really really painful, that had happened four years before, really out of the blue, but just writing this of how God used that for so much good in my life and how he is really caused that to help me to.
Speaker 2:It's easy to, when something like that happens, to want to almost blame the other person was like their, their fault or what they did or whatever, but instead to say, okay, what can I learn from this? You know, how can I grow from this? I think that that's what we're talking about when it comes to business failure and things like that, but also other failures in your life or other just hard things in your life. How can I grow from this? What can I learn from this, so that next time I'm a healthier person and I think for me it really caused me to step back and spend a lot of time seeking the Lord and learning to find my joy, my hope, my fulfillment in him.
Speaker 2:I think friendship and community is so important. But if we are trying to find from someone else what only God can give, we're always going to be in dysfunctional relationships because people aren't God and they are going to fail us and they are going to disappoint us and we're going to fail them and we're going to disappoint them. And so, having that mindset of I'm so filled up and content in Jesus that I don't need something from someone else that is a dysfunctional need, but instead I can walk into this space, I can walk into this room, I can walk into this relationship from that place of knowing how much I'm loved by God and then I can just love others wholeheartedly. And for me, that's just given me so much freedom in relationships and it's really helped me to have so much healthier relationships, because I feel like when I'm healthier as a person, I'm going to attract healthier people and we're going to have healthier relationships.
Speaker 1:How do you not get jaded or maybe not even go into a relationship? Or, like you said, for me I could go into relationships but I couldn't go deep then. Or that would be my kind of go to right as far as protecting myself is yeah, I'll be, you know, make another friend, but not really go deep to protect myself. What would you say to that?
Speaker 2:I think it's hard, like once you've been really deeply hurt, it's hard to be willing to trust again, because trust is vulnerable. Like it is vulnerable, it's it's, you know, taking the armor off and letting people in. And if you've done that and then it feels like you've gotten stabbed in the back, you're like I'm just not going to do that again, I'm just going to keep my armor on, I'm going to keep everybody at arm's length and then I'm safe. But the thing is you're also really lonely, and so I think to recognize like trust is going to require you to put yourself out there.
Speaker 2:One thing that I've learned from this is I've been a lot more cautious in relationships, but that doesn't mean that I'm not willing to trust again. I'm just I've been a lot more careful, so I'm not. I told you know that I'm a passionate person and I'm driven, and so I can be the kind of person where I can find someone. I'm like this is my person and I just want to jump all in. You know, 150 miles an hour. And I've been a lot more cautious and, you know, just carefully, kind of let the relationship slowly develop and that's been really healthy for me and it's also helped me because I think it's caused me to be more careful in you know just how I am opening up, because I think in the past it was almost this dysfunctional thing for me, like I wanted this person to know everything about me right away. And it's been a really good thing for me to be more slow about opening up. And it's Not that I'm not trusting a person. It's kind of like that trust but verify. And one of the other things that I realized is I was often attracted to people who had no one else Like. So it was almost like I was their one and only, and I've really learned that that is usually the mark of an unhealthy person, like if they don't have community around them, if they don't have other good friends, that's a bit of a red flag. And so to want to be good friends with people who also have other good friends and other longtime friends, that's a thing that's been really helpful for me and to recognize like that's the mark of someone who is likely in a healthier position. And so looking for that and celebrating that for them, like celebrating their other friends, celebrating their other friendships, instead of kind of like me wanting to be jealous of that, like it was a very dysfunctional thing for me. And so I'm working through that and, I think, taking it slowly.
Speaker 2:And then also for me it is, you know, not everything. Every time I put myself out there is it going to turn into a great relationship. In fact, the majority of the time I put myself out there, it's not going to turn into a great relationship. And so giving myself permission to be like you know what, it's probably going to take 10 to 20 no's for there to be a yes. And you know, again, that's probably a good thing that I'm driven because you have to be willing to put yourself out there but do it in a way that is sort of safe, in a sense Like um.
Speaker 2:So for me it'll oftentimes I'll be like hey, um, I'd love to get together and have coffee, you know? Or do you want to meet up at the park and have a play date, do something where it's like you start started out in a very sort of safe environment for you, especially if your heart's been really hurt and broken? So it's like if you meet someone for coffee, you could meet, you could even plan it. You could be like I have to leave at. You know, we're meeting at 12. I have to leave at one, just giving yourself that kind of that. You have that safety net of knowing I'm only going to be here for an hour.
Speaker 2:So if this turns out really poorly, it's only an hour and um, and I think for me that was helpful to just kind of start with these strong boundaries in place so that I wasn't just like come over for dinner and let's you know, I mean, I just feel like starting small and you know, maybe it's that you're meeting them somewhere else instead of inviting them into your home at first. You know, whatever you need to do for your heart and not and not starting a long-term sort of thing just try and coffee, and if that doesn't work, it doesn't work. You know, if you, you, you meet them and you're like I just don't feel like this is going to be a good fit, that's okay, um, but to continue to invite, to continue to reach out, don't wait for other people to be the friend that you wish that you had. You reach out and you go, be that friend, but don't expect and be hurt if they don't reciprocate in the way that you would love them to reciprocate.
Speaker 2:The other thing for me that's been really helpful is, once I get to the place of you know we've we've met a few times and we're starting to like I really feel like there's something there to just be super honest of.
Speaker 2:Like this is what I'm looking for in relationship, and I'm just going to put it out there.
Speaker 2:And I totally understand if you are not in the place to feel like this is, you know, the type of relationship that you have space for 100%, that is okay, I get it. But I just want you to know like this is where I'm at and that's been really helpful to me, because then it's not like I've made up in my head, like this is how it's going to go or this is how it's going to be, but it's like I am just putting it out there and then sometimes they'll be like I'm not, couldn't be what you had hoped it would be. So those are just some things that have been really helpful for me, and God has just brought some really beautifully sweet, deep relationships and friendships into my life as a result of that, and so I do think you can rebuild that trust, but I think it's okay to let your heart grieve and then set up some good boundaries and approach it in a way that is going to be a lot healthier for you in the long run.
Speaker 1:You're right. I feel like once we get older maybe even college and past we don't talk about it, but it's something that we talk about all the time with our kids, like, yes, the other day I was on a one-on-one date with my son and that's what he talked about most of the time was his friends and you know some of his good friends now and some friends that you know moved or some friends that aren't friends anymore. You know, and all this, and we talked about it and and you know, I gave a little bit of advice maybe, or thoughts or or yeah, I've been there, I feel you, you know that sort of thing. But then all of a sudden, we kind of how this is a new thing for you. Could you talk about why you're starting it and why you haven't done it before and what we might expect seeing from you in January and 2025?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I mean, I've been blogging on money saving momcom since 2007,. Talking about finances since 2005 ish on the internet. So this will be like my 20th year of talking about saving money. And um, for years I just talked about saving money on groceries. I talked about your grocery budget, I talked about having cash envelopes for your groceries, like everything was the sort of what I would call safe money topics.
Speaker 2:Because for me, I really felt like I can talk about this. I have a lot of experience and it's something that I know really well. It's something that I've taught a lot of people and I feel very confident in this. But if people were to ask me how to set up a budget or how to get out of debt or other types of things investing retirement insurance, all of that I was like no, I'm not your person, because I really felt like that I didn't have the knowledge, I didn't have the experience to be able to talk about anything. But really, you know home economics, if we're going to call it that and um. But I just have felt like there's such a need for budgeting, but from a standpoint of just really practical, simple, like teaching budgeting from someone who doesn't like spreadsheets, someone who isn't good at math, someone who doesn't have letters after their name, doesn't have this financial certification, someone who's just an everyday mom, who's lived on a budget for 22 years, and to just share how it has impacted our life and so, actually, my. I started just feeling this like nudge from the Lord to be talking more about money in very practical terms At the beginning of this year year and kind of started moving towards what would that look like?
Speaker 2:And then my publisher came back to me. I had a three book contract and I knew that the third book was going to be coming up. And they came back to me and said are you ready to write your next book? We'd really love for you to write a money book. And my very first book that I wrote years ago was a money book, but I didn't have an agent, didn't have a proposal, didn't have a clue, and it's a terrible book and I've always been super embarrassed by it. No, I mean I'm being honest. You can go read the Amazon reviews and I didn't know what I was doing and it's literally like this compilation of blog posts that was not edited well at all and I've always been very embarrassed of that book.
Speaker 2:But I learned a lot from it. That was something that I would consider to be a failure that I learned from, and so for future books, I had a completely different approach, but they were, like you know, kind of this is your opportunity that you could do a do over it's with a different publisher, and it would be a very different sort of book, but still on the topic of money, and I felt like when they said that there was just that confirmation of the Lord, because I'd really been praying about okay, what does this look like? What are you calling me to? And so I spent a few months really wrestling with the insecurity that I felt over talking about budgeting and specifics of money management and financial stewardship and then just really allowing myself to recognize that you know I've let these negative beliefs really stifle me from stepping into something that God is calling me to do, and I think I was so afraid of maybe some of the backlash that I got when that first book came out and then also just knowing that you're not going to please everybody and you know some people are going to say that's real dumb and that won't work, and that's okay I'm still going to put myself out there for the people that you know need to hear this.
Speaker 2:And it's been so cool because over the last few months, then, I've kind of been putting some things out there, asking some questions online and just recognizing that there are so many people who actually really want to have a budget. They just don't know how to get started or they also just believe they can't because they don't have a set income. You know well, we always lived on income that varies, and we also budgeted when the money didn't even make sense on paper, Like there wasn't enough coming in, but we still had a budget and a budget was so helpful, even when we were barely making ends meet. And we've also budgeted when there was a lot of extra and so kind of having that experience and seeing how much it has impacted a life, I'm just really excited to get to show people that a budget is not something that's really stifling and a negative thing, but it's something that's really empowering and something that is a positive thing and something that can allow you to be able to have money to spend on making memories with your family and spend on fun things and spend on giving, but also, at the same time, to be able to prioritize your financial future and what does that look like?
Speaker 2:And so I'm really excited about it, really excited about the book It'll be coming out in 2026. So this next year we're just going to be doing a lot with a lot of different resources and printables and videos and some products and things, to just really give people very practical tools to step by step by step. Here I'm going to hold your hand and walk you through exactly here's how to set up a budget, here's why, here's the benefit that it's going to be in your life and here's how it's going to give you freedom.
Speaker 1:I think that'll be great. So we'll have people. If they are interested, then they can just follow you, get on your email list and they'll start to get some of that.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, well, we should be launching early January. We've got. We're going to be doing a lot with kind of helping people who want to set up a budget for the new year. We're going to be doing a lot with that.
Speaker 1:So oh, I love it Well, and I should have this number. But finances is one of the things that tears marriages apart, that you know. It just wreaks havoc on our life, and I don't know the percentages, but it's terribly high, and so I think that's so great, because when you're not in debt and you don't have this weight on you, then it just makes life just a little bit easier, right?
Speaker 2:I think there's so much tension and so much stress that is in people's lives as a result of money struggles. And what was so interesting? Just I think it was last week. I asked on Instagram for people to answer the question people who want to have a budget but don't have a budget. Why don't you have a budget? And I said all your answers are going to be anonymous.
Speaker 2:I'm not sharing this, but I just am very curious and, by and large, one of the number one things that was said people said they don't have a budget because they're too scared to look at the numbers.
Speaker 2:A budget because they're too scared to look at the numbers, and to me that was just I mean, that's kind of shocking, because that says that they don't even have a clue.
Speaker 2:Like they don't have a clue what their numbers are. So no wonder you have constant stress because you have no idea if you have enough coming in, you have no idea where it's going, like you aren't even willing to actually look at the numbers because it scares you so much. And so I think to give people this understanding that actually looking at the numbers is going to take away so much fear because once you start doing it, it's going to be hard at first, but once you start doing it and you keep doing it for a little while, you're going to not have to worry. You know, when I pay this bill, when I swipe this card, when I buy this thing, am I going to have enough to be able to keep the lights on in my house and put food in my fridge? You know. But if you don't even know what's going on, of course you're going to just be living in constant kind of that nagging, gnawing sense that you know things aren't good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, oh, that's really interesting. That's really interesting. Well, I have loved our time together and I am going to, like I said, put your social media things out there and have people get in touch with you via your email list and anything like that, to kind of learn more about you and what you're, what you're sharing and about budgeting. And as we end our podcast, I always love to end with these questions what is your favorite Bible verse or story?
Speaker 2:So my favorite Bible story that has been for years and years and years is the story of Joseph. And I love the story because it is such a story of redemption and it is such a reminder that God uses really hard things for good. And you know, we get to see the end of his story. But he didn't know the end of a story when his brothers were mocking him.
Speaker 2:When he's in that pit, left all alone, put there by his brothers, when he's sold into slavery, when he's dealing with Potiphar's wife, when he's in prison, when you know he thinks he's going to maybe get out of prison because he, you know, interprets this dream, and then the guy forgets about it.
Speaker 2:You know, just, thing after thing after thing after thing where he chose to trust in the Lord and to give his best, you know we see him continually rising to the top. And that's because he was a man of character and, I really think, a man of faith, and so I just love his story. When you're going through hard times, when it feels like, you know, the punches just keep coming to remember that God is the one that's writing the end of the story. And had he not been in that pit and been in that prison, he would have never then been in the position that he was later on, like God was preparing him in the pit and in the prison. And so just to remind her that in those hard things in life, god, you never know what God's preparing you for.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think it was about 30 years or so and we can easily say that because we know how the story ends. But I don't like to wait for you know, I feel like I'm in this time of waiting, I don't really know what I'm waiting for. I just feel like God is saying there's something coming, there's something different, there's something. And it's so hard and you know it's only been about a year or so of this kind of waiting and 30 years, and then not to get discouraged and not to like. He still had a soft heart, obviously for his, for his brothers, when they came and saw him. So that's pretty amazing. What are you grateful for?
Speaker 2:So much, I think, for me just this year.
Speaker 2:God has taught me so much about his faithfulness and there's been a lot of stretching things this year and he's just continued to show his faithfulness to me in little ways. Like just recently I was praying for God to bring another mom who had a child with disabilities that could just really kind of understand the road that I'm walking. And would you believe it I mean only God like that day this woman who I had met months before, had not had any contact with in the last few months, texted me and she invited me to this retreat with other moms who have children with disabilities. That was absolutely free to go to that. Then I got accepted into and she said, hey, like I'd love to start getting together regularly. And she has a son who is about six years older than David. And it was just like God saying I see you, like I see you, I have not forgotten you. And and he's just been answering some very specific prayers in such specific ways that it just makes you feel so loved and so seen and so valued.
Speaker 1:That's amazing. What kindness have you received or what kindness have you shown in the last week?
Speaker 2:You know, I saw this question and I thought it was such a great question. I think we don't stop and think about kindness often enough. But just last night, my daughter it had been a long day and I'd been gone most of the day and so my almost 20 year old who's home from college right now for Christmas break she I had gotten all the kids home. My husband he coaches baseball, so who's a baseball coaching? We'd been at my son's basketball games.
Speaker 2:I get all the kids home and there were some attitudes and people who were really needy and everything and and I was taking care of all of the kids, the little kids, and she just went out and she cleaned up the whole kitchen and she took care of all these things Like I didn't even ask her. And I was like honey, you don't need to do that. And I come out and the kitchen was all cleaned up, Everything was put away and it was just. You know it might seem like such a simple thing, but it was like again God saying to me like I see you, I'm taking care of you and you don't, you're not alone. And it was just. It was such a kind thing and it blessed me.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love it. I love being able to be reminded of some of these small things. So thank you for sharing and thank you for being on. I really appreciate your time, I appreciate your story, I appreciate you taking the time to talk with our guests and just can't wait to see what God does with your budgeting endeavor in 2025.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Thank you so much for having me on, thanks for being excited for how God's leading and I'm just, I'm grateful for you and the work that you're doing here.
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