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101. When Faith Meets Comfort: Sunny Kapoor's Journey Through Two Worlds
The differences between persecuted and comfortable Christianity create drastically different faith experiences, as Sunny reveals in this compelling continuation of our conversation in episode 99. Having lived and served in three different continents, Sunny offers rare insights into how comfort—while a blessing from God—can silently become our greatest spiritual danger.
"Comfort can be deadly because there is no dependency," Sunny explains, describing how Western believers often lose their sense of needing God when life feels complete on its own. This spiritual dynamic creates a thin line between remaining on fire for God amid blessing versus slipping into lukewarm faith. The solution? Surrender. "Even if there is no persecution, we can willfully lay all our crowns at the feet of Jesus."
Sunny then takes us inside the realities of Christian life in India, where persecution is intensifying. Services disrupted, pastors arrested, and anti-conversion laws enacted—yet remarkably, the church is growing stronger, bolder, and more united through these trials. Christians now occupy positions of influence across Indian society while maintaining deep humility within their faith communities.
Most provocatively, Sunny distinguishes between external persecution (from governments or other religions) and internal persecution (when believers fight among themselves). "Christianity is the only army that buries their soldiers alive," he observes, suggesting this internal division may be deadlier than any outside opposition.
For Western churches experiencing comfort, Sunny's message resonates as both challenge and hope: we don't need persecution to maintain spiritual fire, but we do need to recognize the subtle ways we've stopped transforming and started depending on our own efforts rather than God's power. This conversation invites us into authentic surrender—the key to thriving spiritually in any circumstance.
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You've found ordinary people, extraordinary things, and I'm your host, nancy Brucher. This is episode 101, and if you have not heard Sunny's part one, that's number 99, and I highly encourage you to listen to that before you start this one. Besides doing back-to-back episodes right now, as we're celebrating over 100 episodes, I have been busy transferring slides. Those are those old photos that you might have in your basement, maybe your grandparents' basement, maybe in a closet. Reach out to me at generations2generationscom if I can help your family to transfer those slides and save those memories. Everything we do here is about stories, memories and hope and, without further ado, let's start part two with Sunny. Well, welcome to Ordinary People, extraordinary Things. I'm so blessed to have Sunny back on. Thanks for doing another part two with us.
Sunny Kapoor:My pleasure. I'm so excited to be here again.
Nancy Bruscher:So if you haven't listened to the first one, you'll need to do that in order to maybe kind of get caught up to where we are, because we're just going to dive in. But I want to ask you one question. This is kind of a question people say when you think of Jesus, if you want to end it with one word, Jesus is how would you end the sentence?
Sunny Kapoor:Jesus is everything, the beginning and the end, the Alpha and the Omega, the author and the finisher of our faith. So everything is in him, for him, by him, so he's everything.
Nancy Bruscher:That's good, that's good. So we briefly kind of like touched on and kind of gave a snippet last time. There's such a difference between the persecuted church, which was what we might kind of see in India, and then the comfortable church which I would say is for sure the United States.
Sunny Kapoor:There's always been seasons and times when churches have developed a different kind of DNA or vibe all over the world, and location doesn't matter so definitely. You know, even in the Bible and Jesus was writing letters to different churches you could easily see that every church had a different struggle or limitation that he pointed out. So if I have to compare particularly two nations, that is, india and the US, I would say, or the Eastern part or the Western part of the world I would say Christianity is easy on this side and there's a lot of persecution on that side, and it does create a huge difference in the outcome. Yeah, I think if you look at the persecuted church, even in the Bible or right now, in 2025, all over the world, those churches, somehow you'll find that they are on fire. They are on fire Because somewhere I feel and it's kind of my experience, walking in three different continents and serving in three different continents that comfort can be a blessing, because Jesus wants to give us rest and he wants to give us seasons of rewards. But then, if it crosses the line, or how do I explain it?
Sunny Kapoor:Com comfort also comes with a lot of risk. Am I saying that comfort is bad? No, comfort is a blessing. Having no enemy is a blessing. I mean, king David was persecuted all his life, and so much so that by the end of his life it was like, oh, thank God, now I don't have enemies. By the end of it and Solomon literally said this that my father had a lot of enemies but I don't have one. So what I'll do? I'll invest my time in building the temple for the Lord. So definitely, having no persecution is a blessing.
Sunny Kapoor:And I'm not also saying that to be on fire for God you have to be persecuted. You can be on fire even in the comfort. But what happens is persecution does not give you a choice. You have to fight, you have to be on fire. There's no plan B.
Sunny Kapoor:But in comfort you have to make a choice. You can choose God or you. You can not choose, not choose him. You know so it up and in human tendency is like we choose the easier part. So definitely, comfort becomes deadly because there is no dependency, you're not leaning on the Lord, you don't need him. In comfort, you feel your life is complete, things are good, things are smooth, and then somehow the smoothness of life becomes the goal or the idol. You know so we worship our, you know, the comfort or the blessing, and it the growth or the fruit of life which is so easy to accomplish in some parts of the world. It's if there's a thin line between being on fire in comfort, or just slipping away, you know, and just getting cold as a church or as a body of Christ.
Nancy Bruscher:Yeah, I like how you said the word idol, because I think that if we're looking at idols in the Old Testament, we can say, well, I don't have a golden calf, or I didn't raise this big statue to another God, or I didn't sacrifice my children to this God, or something like that. But in a way, I feel like the idols that we're facing are a little bit harder to recognize, which actually, I believe might make them harder to get out.
Sunny Kapoor:Yeah, yeah, so true. I mean, you know, when we were growing up in India, I used to hear this statement a lot the big American dream. I was like what's that? We don't even know what this statement means, but then that could be one of the idols. And what happens in a culture where it's easy to grow, there's less persecution, there's freedom of thought, speech, actions. We can choose to be our God, we can choose to be the way we want to be. I mean, that becomes a very hard ground for the Lord to rule the hearts of people.
Sunny Kapoor:And you said it very rightly the idol thing is something that occurs in comfort. The structure of human beings are made in a way that we want a savior. We need a savior. We are not just fully complete in ourselves. So anytime we don't need Jesus, we will make some idol. Because we are made like that, we need it. We somehow will produce our own stuff. And I think when comfort could be one of those idols that have creeped into the churches and life is pretty easy. So yeah, it makes sense to me.
Nancy Bruscher:The word that came to mind when I was hearing you was more of a lukewarm Christianity, and I think we hear that in Revelation of you're not hot, you're not cold, and I wonder if that might be an issue in the United States or Western, and are you allowed to be like a really lukewarm Christian in India, or is it? I'm? Either not or I am because of the persecution. You have to truly make a decision.
Sunny Kapoor:Yeah, that's a good question and you know, I just want to make this clear to all our listeners that I mean we're not.
Sunny Kapoor:this conversation is not like we're judging the community or this part of like just trying to figure out what's happening, because in my first podcast with you we did talk about the bleeding that the Lord showed me in the nation and what's bleeding? What happens when a person is in less need of God or a savior? There is this individualistic approach that arises, that is birthed inside of us and it's about me, my rights, my freedom, and somehow our hearts focus so much on me, the me part of life, and you know, that becomes the breeding ground of pursuing my comfort and how I feel and how I can create my own world where everything is just perfect. I'm the God of my world and nothing should, you know, go against my desires or the way I want to plan my life and all these things. They create this sense of we making our life all about us, and then selfish motives arise. Then there is this approach of, you know, just me wanting to satisfy myself. You know there's so many realms attached to why a nation or a community starts bleeding because there is no persecution, because if there's persecution you'll depend on God more and the Bible says that your faith will be tested.
Sunny Kapoor:I mean, if you allow me to read one scripture, paul made such a fantastic and a bold statement in one of his letters to his spiritual son, timothy, and in 2 Timothy 3, verse number 12, he said yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution Like. According to him, persecution is a good thing and it's a sign that you are going against what you want to do in life. Or you are putting yourself down, or you are putting your crowns at the feet of Jesus and you're telling him the Lord, it's not me who's the boss of my life or the God of my life, but you are the Lord and the word that the Holy Spirit is putting in my heart in perspective of you know your question. The word is surrender. Surrender is the key to still be on fire and still not make a mistake as a church, even if there is no persecution.
Sunny Kapoor:Persecution is allowed by the Lord. But that's not his actual plan. His actual plan is that his bride will fall in love with him. Even if everything is good, even if you are blessed, even if you are rewarded, even if you have no enemy in your life, he still wants you to be on fire for him. But the problem is we don't need God when everything is good, so he kind of sometimes allows the persecution to come in because he wants his bride back into his arms. Because he wants his bride back into his arms, so trials and tribulation and all the challenges would fall so that we can pursue him more. But that's not his initial plan. That being said, when I read the Bible and when I look at the history and even the present times, I feel churches have grown. The kingdom has grown in the times of persecution. So persecution is always a blessing.
Sunny Kapoor:If you don't allow the spirit of fear to operate in us, if you allow the spirit of fear to fall on you, you won't grow. You will, in fact quit. And that's what the word says, that one of the signs of the end days is that the love of many people will get cold and a lot of people will deny their faith. Why? Because persecution will increase in the end times and those who will allow the spirit of fear to grip their hearts will deny fighting for their faith, they will fall into the trap of persecution and they'll deny Jesus, and that their love for the Lord will get cold.
Sunny Kapoor:So I would say surrender is the key. We don't, we don't have to ask God to send persecution to the United States. We don't have to say, lord, do something here as well that you did there to bring your church up. But the message, the correct message, should be even if there is no persecution, we can just willfully lay all our crowns at the feet of Jesus and tell ourselves we are a nation under God. I'm not self-made. There is no individualistic approach that I live in. It's not about me or or what I feel, or what I sense is right. It's about what the Word of God says, and we need to surrender to everything that the Word of God says. Then, automatically, this comfort will not be our enemy, but it will become our blessing, a season of reward in which we can still build the house of the Lord. We can still do what the Lord wants us to do. So surrender, I would say, is the real key in this matter, in this part of the world.
Nancy Bruscher:I really liked how you've talked about this and not putting down people or raising people up, but just saying like this is where we are, this is where this part of the world is, this is where this is, and I have really appreciated that. Thank you for saying that. Could you share? What is it like to be a Christian in India? What is it like to try to put up churches? What is the persecution there? What does the government allow, not allow? There's a lot of questions right there.
Sunny Kapoor:Yeah, no, but these are, I think, valuable questions. The church has always faced persecution in India. I'm not sure about the rest of the countries nearby. I hear stories, but I've experienced it at hand. I mean, our services have been stopped by people walking into the service, dropped the whole pause to the services, they have got onto the stages and thrown the microphones away. We've faced all that Persecution.
Sunny Kapoor:Right now in India is very, very much at peak because the government is supporting some of the groups which I don't want to mention here. But, yes, they've been backed up by the government because the Lord is on the move. I mean, there are hundreds and thousands of people coming to Jesus and knowing his saving power, and so they use lies that, oh, they give money and convert people. They run so many projects by convincing the people that have given their hearts to the Lord to bring them back to their religion. And there are so many restrictions right now for open air meetings. You can't preach on the street, you can't do road evangelism. There's so much restrictions right now you can't even have services in most of the rental properties. And, yes, there are many requirements and documentation that they are asking for, which sometimes are hard to achieve. So they are putting up rules and so many states just pass the rule like a no conversion law, that people cannot be baptized, they cannot change their religion. So we are a democracy. Our constitution says that everyone has the freedom of speech and even the freedom to choose their religion. So it's right there in the constitution. But individual states are fighting it and they are winning the election. Just two weeks back, one of the states in India have passed the law successfully that no one can convert, no one can change their religion.
Sunny Kapoor:So it's getting hard for the pastors when a group of people comes into a service to stop them and if the pastor or the team calls the police, police will intentionally delay coming there. And if they catch people there, like pastors or leadership, the court is not even going to listen to them. For like three months or six months, like keep delaying their hearings at the court and there is no bail. There is no you you know freedom for these pastors like I know some of them personally who got in and like no one heard their plea and they were there for like months and months and they've been harassed inside, they've been challenged on their faith, they are attacked in their mind so that they they fall back, or you know, they try to convince them or wash their brains to get out of the prison and deny their faith, but I've heard not even one story where they were successful. It has only increased the faith of our people, our pastors, churches have grown. They have prayed more because now, like Peter was in the prison and church was praying, that's right there in the acts. That is happening right now in the east. Churches are praying more. So the government, things or the kings of the world would think that we can stop this. But persecution comes with such an element. It's such a beautiful package of power and more faith that majority of people, they grow in the lord and the word when persecution hits them. It's very handful of people that fall back and then probably the reason is because they were not rooted in or they were never the genuine faith doers. You know so. But the church have grown and in in india it's. It's amazing. There's another one, one more thing happening in india right now.
Sunny Kapoor:Christianity has been a very, a very weak, uh, league of people for decades. You know, know, in 80s or 70s or 90s, boys of the house who could not do anything, they were asked to serve God. Oh, you couldn't study well, go become a pastor. Oh, you're not good, you're not sharp enough to have a higher job or become a doctor or engineer, why don't you try pastorship? So that season produced pastors who were, who couldn't do anything else, and they never promoted people to rise up. Oh, it's okay to just have two slices of bread and just be content. And they coded the scripture very wrongly that you can't serve two masters. You can't serve money and God. So these wrong teachings were imparted in India. So what happened? Christians didn't rise up in businesses, they didn't study well, they were content and satisfied in being the least in the community and that kind of made the Christian community very weak.
Sunny Kapoor:But then came a season where God brought the right word, the right understanding that I can still become a doctor and still serve the Lord and we don't have to bow down to money. Let money serve us, we'll serve God through our money as well. We can have businesses because God has not made us the tail but the head. So all this realignment happened in India in the last 20, 25 years and I've seen that I was part of both the generations. When I got saved it was the previous one that I was mentioning to you about, but then I saw it transferring it. I saw it changing on the way and right now we have top-notch lawyers that are believers. We have amazing doctors that are believers. We have people who own businesses and they are rooted humble believers, like I have seen young boys, even in our ministries.
Sunny Kapoor:We have example of people who were taught wrong and they were like oh yeah, it's okay to suffer, it's okay to just have one slice of bread and be content. And they code the scripture that Solomon wrote in in, I think, proverbs or Ecclesiastes, where he says you, you know, two slices of bread is enough, like you know, one roti is enough, one tortilla is enough, and it's just contentment is everything. But therefore, god, the guy who's writing that is a king, who is the richest. He's blessed of the Lord, and it just amazes me how some millenials sit around a round table and discuss is God is a God of abundance or not? Should we consider blessings also part of Christian life or not? Ask a guy who's living in a shack with a leaking roof how much he's praying for his God to be the God of abundance. He wants his God. He wants Jesus to be the provider and a God who blesses.
Sunny Kapoor:So when all these teachings came why I'm sharing this? Because this is connected to persecution of today's time in India when the Lord started blessing our community in India, people started becoming rich, even in materialism, and God kind of kept telling them that don't rejoice in your abundance. Now I am still your God. So the church that is rising in India is blessed and also getting a lot of comfort. They are building big houses, christians are having amazing cars and no money is coming to them. I'm talking to some people there, referring to some people that God is blessing them in the land of the living. God is blessing them in India. Their businesses are doing well Like. I know some stories personally where young men are running call centers. They have 300 people working for them. So these kinds of stories are happening. So this how this is connected to the current state of persecution in India and probably the Western part can learn this, if I have to say it humbly that now, when they are blessed, church is becoming more powerful.
Sunny Kapoor:It's not a group of people in India. There are cowards or scared or full of fear and hiding under a room or just meeting slowly singing song, slowly. They are bold. They are doing Facebook live. They are doing YouTube live of their services. Why? Because they know if a group comes into the church. I've got police. I've got lawyers in my church who are baptized. I've got doctors. I've got politicians in my church. Still, god bless the Christian community so much that now we are we are facing the enemy in strength that become a blessing.
Sunny Kapoor:But the good part is millonaires come into the church. They put their shoes off and they wipe the floor, they put the chairs. They are having tears in their eyes that God, you've blessed me so much, you bless my family so much and how can I thank you back? So they are not getting comfortable in their blessings. They are not having an individualistic approach. They are not emailing their pastors oh, I don't like this statement. Oh, I didn't like your sermon. They're not offended by the church. They receive hard sermons joyfully, because they still want to grow. They're not creating any idol because, oh, I'm successful, I know the Bible, I can tell the pastor what's good, what's bad. They are not making that mistake. They come to the church humbly. They walk into that door leaving behind their secular title. They don't walk into the church as doctors and engineers or politicians or police people. They come as humble children of God who wants to receive the word from the pastor and serve church and the kingdom the best way they can, without any ego or pride. And they are not comfortable because now they are blessed. They are still on fire. They're blessed.
Sunny Kapoor:You know what I mean right now in India, that people are still holding on to the humility part of the spirit, the fruit of the spirit, the kindness, the humility, the oneness with the leadership, the submission part. I see that missing in the West. Submission is not even talking about it. No one talks about it because, oh, we are scared of making a pastor star. We are done with the stardom of the pastors.
Sunny Kapoor:So enemy have somehow convinced this community that there is no value in the vessel that God anointed. There is no part of honor that is still due. Our teachers are supposed to be doubly honored. It's in the New Testament. So it's always the extremes. There is no balance. Either we abuse this culture of honor and get into the man worship or the stardom. That's bad. But then we go to the other extreme of it and we consider our leadership, our staff, nothing and we feel that we have our individual, you know, belief or approach towards kingdom, and that's where the bleeding starts, that's where idols come up, that's where this whole dependency of the Lord is arrested by the enemy. So I feel there are so many layers in the kingdom and there's so much of repair and so much of healing that needs to come. And it will only come when a voice will start picking it up. And you know what's gonna happen if hundred men of God rises up in in in a part of the world which is battling the comfort enemy, they will face persecution.
Sunny Kapoor:And persecution is not only from the outside. I don't know, maybe we can do a third episode on two kinds of persecution, but I'm not selling you on that. There are two kinds of persecution. One comes from the outside, like india is facing the persecution from the outside the government, the community, the people. But then there's a persecution from the inside, when church fights the church, when believer fights the believer, when congregation fights the pastor, when there's so much of internal persecution, when people don't want to believe what the Lord wants to do, and I think that's even deadlier from the persecution that comes from the outside.
Sunny Kapoor:Outside persecution is easy to handle because we can still stand one, united as a family. But when the persecution comes within the family, you have no strength. You lose the battle right there. You know, we don't even need the external enemy, we don't even need the outside enemy to fight us, because we are so much divided from within. Satan looks at us and says oh, I don't even have to waste time on them, they're doing good, they're fighting with each other. Christianity is the only army that buries their soldiers alive and destroy the prophets and the voice of God. In the flow of God. We are champion in doing that. So I don't know which persecution the West is gonna, but it's coming. It's coming.
Nancy Bruscher:The Lord will send a healthy persecution, so that a redemptive I would call it the redemptive persecution, a persecution that wants to redeem the church and wake the church up and shake the church to come out of slumber and sleep and get active, because his coming is at hand yeah, it doesn't really make sense that a persecution can bring gifts and flourishing, and in my mind it's like these two can't come together, but I think that's what we see with God, so much is I'm gonna do things that make no sense to the world, because that's just who.
Nancy Bruscher:I am and I and I'm going to be the one who gets glory for that then, because you can't say, well, it's because of this or this, it's no, it was just God doing that. I kind of felt like I wanted to share a few things. I told you in the last chapter that I did get to go to India. Our last chapter yeah, this is a book. Then I got to go to India and when we were there I was in the Darjeeling area. Darjeeling is beautiful.
Nancy Bruscher:This was a little bit further away and it was a big brothel area, because I think Nepal was right there and some other countries right on that border. And I actually got to go into the brothel and I got to sit on these women's bed and talk to them and and love them. And there was, there was such an evil presence that just I felt so heavy and and I never felt that before and it was, you know, it was a little scary and I was like, oh my gosh, like this is really what darkness feels like and I I never felt that. And then a couple things came to mind. One was I think I've become used to the darkness that I that I see in the United States, which is scary, that you don't see it, because I think that when you see it and you feel it, then you can do something about it.
Nancy Bruscher:But when you've become used to it then it's just. It's kind of like that one saying of like the biggest lie or the best thing the devil did was convince the world he didn't exist, kind of thing. And then on the other side, a few years ago Chris and I went to Ball Arena. It's a big, big place where you can do basketball and everything in the Denver area.
Nancy Bruscher:And we got invited to go to this comedian. We didn't have any idea but we were just like, oh, okay, we're just going. And the person who came up before the main headliner again her speech I felt such darkness. She was talking about how many kids she's aborted and how proud she was and how she has like a playlist to do it. When she I mean it was truly terrible, like the the, the excitement and the proudness and like the detail she went into about about killing babies, and people were clapping like oh, like the darkness I felt and I was like, oh my gosh, like to feel it so heavily in a brothel and then in like a place that hosts comedians and basketball and hockey and stuff. I don't know if I can really put it into words very well to make it just a perfect thing, but it has been heavy on my heart and I don't know really why I'm sharing this. But yeah, I don't know. Have you ever felt that way before? As far as like this, this, this huge presence of, of evil?
Sunny Kapoor:yes, and like you mentioned, um, you know you felt it on you. I mean, um, some evil presence have an impact on our physical body. Like you feel stress in your head. I mean, a couple of times I've felt pain in my body like unusual pain, just entering a house which is demon possessed. Like you feel choked, andoked, and you know so. It's definitely real and that kind of as a pastor produces a lot of mercy and grace as well in my heart, because I know the people that we are talking about. What they are doing is is not their choice. They are, they are just ruled by these demons and you know this whole spiritual capturing that happens on their heart and their senses die, they become blind, and that's where the light of Christ exposes, you know the lies of the enemy and then they receive the freedom. I'm assuming the second story that you shared is from the united states yeah, yeah denver.
Sunny Kapoor:Now, think about it. I mean we talk about countries like india and nepal having so many idols and you know, all these places are demon possessed and that's why in america, in our church services we don't see demon many manifesting in people. It's is that part of the world, but no, I mean this happening right here in this beautiful nation. I mean, I don't know how much this is true, but I've been told there are states in this country that are too active in child sacrifice and especially during the times of Halloween and all that kind of seasons. I mean, think about it. You know we hear so many other stuff. So what convinces me that devil is real and darkness is real? Because because the word says is the bible says it that he's the prince of the world right now. And so how much the church needs to be active, not just in hot dog sales or piñata projects or just taking the kids for camps. All that is good, but all of that stuff should come with one important message that we are spirit people. We've got to open our eyes, we've got to walk closely with the Lord, we've got to delight in the word of Jesus and we've got to base our lives on the word and live in spirit. Don't just attend church. Devil has no problem with people attending churches. Devil has no issue with people just ticking their boxes and saying we are the good Christians in the community because we don't kill an ant or we don't think bad about our neighbors. It's beyond community. We are dealing with realms of the spirit. We are dealing with what the enemy is doing in this hour. This is a crucial hour.
Sunny Kapoor:2025 is not like 1905 or 400 or 1810. This is a very different season. The church is in right now. We can't afford to have a day off as being a Christian, we can't be a part-time Christian because devil is a full-time enemy, you know. So, yeah, these things are real.
Sunny Kapoor:I encounter it probably every week when I meet people. Every person carries an influence. Some people have a sweet spirit. Some people have the, the fragrance of the holy spirit in their lives. You'll feel so blessed just spending time with them, but some people will will are carrying so many baggages, scars, wounds, hurt, and they don't want to let go of it. That's why some people there they've taken two decades to get healed where the lord can show up if, if you carefully. Um, like I said it in in the first part as well that the lord showed up and in one encounter I was healed. He can do it.
Sunny Kapoor:The problem is enemy doesn't want people to believe that. He wants them to believe that, oh, it takes time. Oh, it's no. Jesus can do everything in all things at any time. All things are possible.
Sunny Kapoor:It depends on our faith and that's also one of the statements that enemy has played within the community where we live right now. Oh, I don't like the sermons where the pastor says only if you had a little bit more faith. And it hurts people. It is hurting people that oh, you're telling me I don't have faith and our enemy is using that in their hearts to run away from the church and they're like it's not just about my faith, things take time. Yes, it's not just about my faith. Things take time. Yes, it's a correct statement. Things sometimes takes time. God has his own way of doing it, but don't say that it can't be done right now.
Sunny Kapoor:Say both the statements. It can be done right now and it can take time. It depends on the Lord. I'll rejoice in whatever he chooses for my life and, to be very honest, when people, enemies using it in people's heart. Oh, I wish I had a little bit of more faith. Or I'm tired of those churches that keeps telling me oh, if you had a little bit of more faith, it could be true. Maybe you needed some extra faith. An enemy is fooling around with you by saying you don't need an extra faith, because faith can move mountains, faith can. It is impossible to please god without faith. Sunny should kept saying lord, I have faith that you can heal me, and heal me right now. You can deliver me from this fiery furnace, you can deliver me from the lion's den. But even if you don't do it, I'll still praise you. I shouldn't just say, oh, god will take his own time to deliver me. No, he has delivered me 2 000 years ago on the cross and it is finished, it is done. I must believe that and live in healing.
Sunny Kapoor:American church is living in hurt and wound. Why? Because we feel comfort in people pacifying us. Somehow we like it, we like to share it. So there are so many realms. I'm telling you. My 18 months of journey here has opened my eyes to see so many things that needs to be dealt with in this community, because there came a time we became comfortable, because we were sending out missionaries. We have all the money and the resources that we can offer to the nations and that kind of became our pride oh, we are the doers. But then we forgot that we are decaying from the inside. But then we forgot that we are decaying from the inside. We are getting divided from the inside because we are now depending on what we are doing for the Lord rather than what we were becoming for the Lord and we stopped transforming, we stopped changing, we stopped accepting the move of God. And it's never black to white. It's always black to gray and then to white. It's always a slow fade. It's always done by the enemy where no one notices that. It goes unnoticed. And then we are asking why we are in trouble. What happened? What's happening in our nation? Right, you know. So the Lord is there to help us and open our eyes If we surrender and stop being fearful of a change. Change is hard. We don't want that change as a church, because that's uncomfortable. We like it like this. That's where the Lord is like. On that day when enemy appears, you'll fall apart. You'll be like oh, what just happened? Everything was going so well, what happened? But when God tells us what, what happened? We don't know, we don't want to embrace it, don't like it. Yeah, yeah.
Nancy Bruscher:Well, sonny, I'm just loving our conversations and I'm so excited I think we are gonna have to just wrap it up. I'm like, okay, we could go here, we could go here, we could go here. I am going to link your social, your website. I think you have a podcast, yes, or her?
Sunny Kapoor:people mentioned it because I was like no, this is your podcast what is your podcast called?
Sunny Kapoor:I can't remember, but I know you it's called store with jesus and there are around 40 50 podcast there and it's not detailed conversations like this. But this is so amazing. You know what you, what you're doing and I want to really acknowledge what you're doing and appreciate because you are picking up so many real life stories. And so the initial, the vision that the Lord gave me was not to have detailed conversations like this, but it was just a short motivational words or words of encouragement or few words that can help people in their daily walk with life.
Nancy Bruscher:But in this season, uh, we're also going to introduce some detailed conversations and probably have you as a guest and I might ask you questions you're gonna put me on the spot, I'm gonna put those in the show notes, because I think there's going to be a lot of people that are saying well, nancy, I want more, I want more. I really love what he's saying, I love how he's sharing this and so.
Sunny Kapoor:I want to. I want people to be able to get in touch with you and continue following you and get get these nuggets from you.
Nancy Bruscher:Thank you.
Sunny Kapoor:Thank you, appreciate that Well. As we wrap up, what are you grateful for? Well, I turned 42 yesterday was my birthday. So I'm grateful for life for this grace of serving him and, yeah, just excited for the next season that has come our way and I'm excited to see how the lord will use me, even in this part of the world. And I'm grateful for life for calling over my life, my family. Yeah, I'm just grateful.
Nancy Bruscher:That's awesome. Yeah, yeah. Well, thank you again for your time. I know that you're busy. I do appreciate it. I've loved chatting with you and I can't wait to see what God's going to do.
Sunny Kapoor:Amen. Thank you so much for having me. It was my joy, honor and absolute blessing to be on this podcast.
Nancy Bruscher:Thank you.
Sunny Kapoor:Yeah.
Nancy Bruscher:On Ordinary People, extraordinary Things. Your story is his glory. I'm praying that this episode has not only inspired you, but it will empower you to act in whatever way that God is calling you. For episode 102, we'll have Jamie, who will share her amazing story about finding Jesus in jail. We'll see you soon.